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Did the limo stop?



NO....!!!

Statistics: Posted by Patrick C — Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:05 pm

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As I recall there are examples of comparisons of the Nix and Z films frame by frame and there are no discrepancies in limo speed.



I would accept totally that if for example Nix showed a slow down and Z did not then yes something is not right - aside from an error in speed of the film shown.



I also agree that the Nix film does appear to make the slow down more apparent - perhaps because he did not capture the whole lower Elm St section as did Zapruder - Nix section 2 starts in the middle of the slow down which may create the impression that the car moves more slowly than in the Z film.



It is clear to me that the limo did not stop, it simply slowed right down.

Statistics: Posted by Patrick C — Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:01 pm

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"Anyone with an effective IQ even slightly above room temperature knows the Zapruder film was forged the first weekend after the assassination."



I cringe when I read childish comments like this from adults. Clearly there are thousands of people with high a IQ who do not accept the Z film was altered which logically shows the statement from Mr Charleson to be a pile of old tripe and frankly an embarrassment.

Statistics: Posted by Patrick C — Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:36 pm

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William Charleston wrote:

In the NIX film at time 30 sec and 1 min, you can easily see the limo was moving very slow and then rapidly sped up.



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1. Clint Hill would NEVER have been able to catch the limo unless the limousine slowed way down.

2. Because the Zapruder film does NOT show the limo slowing down, we know it is forged because the Z film does not match what the witnesses say happened and it does not match the Nix film. This is just another example which clearly shows the Z film is forged.

The slowdown can be seen most easily by comparing the two motorcycle cops closest to the viewer, in comparison to the limo... The motorcycle cops are clearly overtaking the limo.

Statistics: Posted by Ben Holmes — Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:35 pm

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He may have said he was worried about running out of "power" from the winding mechanism.....I will check with Mike Majerus.



It is possible I am mistaken of course that he said why he stopped filming.



I do tire of being called a liar Holmes. I am not. You however are full of poorly reasoned arguments and hot air. You still do not understand the difference between an opinion or a mistake and a lie. Odd really.

Statistics: Posted by Patrick C — Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:32 pm

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William Charleston wrote:

Anyone with an effective IQ even slightly above room temperature knows the Zapruder film was forged the first weekend after the assassination. Doug Horne isn't a borderline dumb ass like Vince Bugliosi, Horne nails the timeline as the forgers figured out Saturday and Sunday what had to be done to get the point where the average near brain dead presstitute and lawyer on the WC would have enough doubt that they would buy the lie.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that... the implication being, that the evidence isn't strong enough, so we need to insult those who don't know the evidence.



Now, it's true that those who do know the evidence for forgery, yet are unwilling to publicly state that there's evidence they can't explain - have a serious character issue.



But many people don't know the multiple lines of corroborating evidence for Z-film alteration... which, I think; will be a good topic for a future post.

William Charleston wrote:

Life Magazine bought the rights to the Z film and locked it away for years to hide the truth. Nothing to see here either I guess (/sarcasm)

The important fact here is the connections between the management of Life magazine with the CIA. Life was merely doing their patriotic duty - as someone whispered in their ear that they wanted the film locked up. Believers cannot explain the financial actions of the magazine, they spent quite a bit of money to lock down the very rights THEY NEVER USED. It's important to note that although Stolley from Life had ALREADY PURCHASED THE FILM, he returned on the evening of the 24th to purchase ALL rights to the film.



Rights they never used.



Rights who's only provable purpose was to prevent anyone else from watching the film.

William Charleston wrote:

If you don't believe Dino Brugioni, then there is probably no hope for you. Brugioni clearly states the Zapruder film is forged. And Doug Horne makes the point that this was 1963, they could only forge so much so the impossible movements we see in the Z film are just that, evidence of the not so well done forgery.

The supporters of the Warren Commission are very selective in who they believe. This has been demonstrated time and time again... As merely one recent example, Patrick accepts completely and uncritically John McAdams' tabulation of the earwitnesses, then refuses to explain the inconsistency he was forced to admit.



So this is a well-established pattern ... to accept or not accept witnesses, not based on their credibility or corroboration, but based on the content of what they state... whether it agrees with the Warren Commission or not.

William Charleston wrote:

Fortunately, the forgers left enough information in the Z film that we can determine what actually happened during the shooting.

I'm not convinced that this is strictly true. Without the eyewitnesses stating what they saw in Dealey Plaza on 11/22 - the film would have quite successfully covered up the true history.



https://vimeo.com/102327635

William Charleston wrote:

There are only a small number of people who had the power to make the Z film alteration the first weekend after the assassination. Their fingerprints are all over the forged evidence.

Amusingly - believers must discount EACH AND EVERY EXAMPLE of evidential alteration... to admit even a single example would demolish their faith quite completely.



As just one example - Patrick still refuses to explain why no-one saw WHAT HE ADMITS is the largest foreign object in the AP X-ray on the night of the autopsy.



John McAdams wouldn't even publicly give that admission ...

Statistics: Posted by Ben Holmes — Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:29 pm

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Of course the limo almost stopped, it definitely slowed down.



Bobby Hargis:



https://vimeo.com/125992798



In the NIX film at time 30 sec and 1 min, you can easily see the limo was moving very slow and then rapidly sped up.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU4mAVCprAU



1. Clint Hill would NEVER have been able to catch the limo unless the limousine slowed way down.

2. Because the Zapruder film does NOT show the limo slowing down, we know it is forged because the Z film does not match what the witnesses say happened and it does not match the Nix film. This is just another example which clearly shows the Z film is forged.

Statistics: Posted by William Charleston — Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:13 pm

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David Healy wrote:

The place is shaping up nicely.

Despite the lack of personal insulting, name calling, and ad hominem attacks, it hasn't seemed to encourage WCR Supporters to explain the evidence in this case.



So in that sense - the sense of proving that believers simply have no excuses that work, yes; this forum is certainly doing the job!

Statistics: Posted by Ben Holmes — Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:42 pm

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Lee Abbott wrote:

Henry solves another mystery, " No fragments were found in the limousine that could be determined to have come from a Grassy Knoll shooter."



Gee, could that be because the bullet was traveling away from the limo?

An excellent point - but I would not give to believers the accuracy of the actual search. People tend to forget that the limo was the scene of the crime, AND IT WAS IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE DALLAS POLICE.



In other words, we now have no chain of custody on anything found in the limo.



Had the limo been seized by the police there at Parkland - and undergone a search by people who were not a part of the conspiracy, who knows what might have been found, or not found?

Statistics: Posted by Ben Holmes — Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:36 pm

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Anyone with an effective IQ even slightly above room temperature knows the Zapruder film was forged the first weekend after the assassination. Doug Horne isn't a borderline dumb ass like Vince Bugliosi, Horne nails the timeline as the forgers figured out Saturday and Sunday what had to be done to get the point where the average near brain dead presstitute and lawyer on the WC would have enough doubt that they would buy the lie.



Life Magazine bought the rights to the Z film and locked it away for years to hide the truth. Nothing to see here either I guess (/sarcism)



If you don't believe Dino Brugioni, then there is probably no hope for you. Brugioni clearly states the Zapruder film is forged. And Doug Horne makes the point that this was 1963, they could only forge so much so the impossible movements we see in the Z film are just that, evidence of the not so well done forgery. Fortunately, the forgers left enough information in the Z film that we can determine what actually happened during the shooting.



https://vimeo.com/102327635



There are only a small number of people who had the power to make the Z film alteration the first weekend after the assassination. Their fingerprints are all over the forged evidence.

Statistics: Posted by William Charleston — Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:00 pm

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