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JFK Conspiracy Main Forum • Re: LN Factoids



Patrick C wrote:

Clearly you have an English comprehension problem. I wrote Zapruder had said he stopped filming over a concern over running out of film which is what I thought for many years. I then discovered that actually he was more concerned about the winding mechanism. Where that comes from I cannot recall. I have studied the assassination academically and on occasions professionally, but I do not have a photographic memory, nor am I in a court of law. I am on an amateur forum with , largely speaking, people who have crackpot ideas about Dallas and seem to expect a water tight response to every post that shows disagreement with them!





No Patrick, you're simply lying again.



One lie pointed out, you move smoothly to another lie.



Zapruder made it quite clear in his EARLIEST TESTIMONY that he intended to get the Presidential limo as it turned from Houston Street:





Mr. LIEBELER - As you stood there on this abutment with your camera, the motorcade came down Houston Street and turned left on Elm Street, did it not?

Mr. ZAPRUDER - That's right.

Mr. LIEBELER - And it proceeded then down Elm Street toward the triple underpass; is that correct?

Mr. ZAPRUDER - That's correct. I started shooting--when the motorcade started coming in, I believe I started and wanted to get it coming in from Houston Street.





Now, I've cited the proof that you've been lying all along...



The VERY BEST you could have done is produce a statement from many years later that contradicts his earliest statements... but you can't even do that.



You just continue to try to push a factoid that you KNOW YOU CANNOT SUPPORT WITH A CITATION.



That's not an "opinion" - that's a lie.



Patrick C wrote:

Well that is not going to happen as I simply don't care to spend that time researching for you - and your co fairy tale believes , but I am NOT a liar Mr Mitcham. I suggest you take up some English comprehension classes - it is never too late to learn.





You can argue that you're not lying - but the simple fact is - you keep asserting something with no evidence whatsoever - and since you aren't the actual eyewitness - YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE A SOURCE.



But you don't have a source... and you refuse to retract.



So every time you bring it up, I'm simply going to point out that you're lying, Patrick - and despite your claim that this is a "comprehension" problem, it's really quite simple.



Patrick C wrote:

Holmes sated I could not essentially cite for that and I said I would check with Mike Majerus who I think will know. I also stated I could be mistaken.





Until you admit that you were "mistaken" - you're provably lying.



Patrick C wrote:

That is NOT lie. It would seem however to be ignorance on your part Ray. But then again I suppose I do have the advantage of a very fine education which helps me engage in debate in a sensible manner in my first language - English.





Oh it would be soooo nice if critics could follow these rules too!



But critics are required to cite for their claims... and rightfully so.

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JFK Conspiracy Main Forum • Re: LN Factoids



Patrick C wrote:

He may have said he was worried about running out of "power" from the winding mechanism.....I will check with Mike Majerus.



It is possible I am mistaken of course that he said why he stopped filming.



I do tire of being called a liar Holmes. I am not. You however are full of poorly reasoned arguments and hot air. You still do not understand the difference between an opinion or a mistake and a lie. Odd really.





Then you should simply stop lying.



I wouldn't be able to call you a liar then.



Indeed, I challenge you to produce EVEN ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE where I labeled you a liar, and it turned out you were telling the truth...



A very easy way to avoid being labeled a liar is to stop relying on your opinion and faith, and start relying on the actual evidence. If you have a prepared citation ready to go where Zapruder said anything like what you claimed, then that would shut me right up, wouldn't it?



Now, you keep claiming you're not a liar, YET YOU'VE NEVER DEFENDED A SINGLE STATEMENT THAT I'VE POINTED OUT WAS A LIE. (or if you have, I certainly don't remember it...)



Why is that, Patrick?

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Off Topic Forum • Re: The Forum...



Patrick C wrote:

I think the forum does a very good job of showing how eccentric all you pro C fairy tale believers are.....at least it is entertaining.....





And, as I stated, and you are proving, I think that this forum is demonstrating that in an arena where personal insults are being deleted, you still rely on it, rather than the evidence.



Still too busy to answer the questions you've run from, Patrick?

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JFK Conspiracy Main Forum • Re: LN Factoids

Clearly you have an English comprehension problem. I wrote Zapruder had said he stopped filming over a concern over running out of film which is what I thought for many years. I then discovered that actually he was more concerned about the winding mechanism. Where that comes from I cannot recall. I have studied the assassination academically and on occasions professionally, but I do not have a photographic memory, nor am I in a court of law. I am on an amateur forum with , largely speaking, people who have crackpot ideas about Dallas and seem to expect a water tight response to every post that shows disagreement with them!



Well that is not going to happen as I simply don't care to spend that time researching for you - and your co fairy tale believes , but I am NOT a liar Mr Mitcham. I suggest you take up some English comprehension classes - it is never too late to learn.





Holmes sated I could not essentially cite for that and I said I would check with Mike Majerus who I think will know. I also stated I could be mistaken.



That is NOT lie. It would seem however to be ignorance on your part Ray. But then again I suppose I do have the advantage of a very fine education which helps me engage in debate in a sensible manner in my first language - English.

Statistics: Posted by Patrick C — Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:55 pm








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JFK Conspiracy Main Forum • Re: Did The Limo Stop?



Patrick C wrote:

Oh yes.....the answer to the heading of this thread



Did the limo stop?



NO....!!!





Amusingly and predictably, you gave zero evidence for your opinion.



An opinion that isn't very credible, judging by your previous proven lying on the topic of this case.

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JFK Conspiracy Main Forum • Re: First Frame Flash - The Proof of Z-Film Alteration That Supporters Just HATE!



Patrick C wrote:



William Charleston wrote:Anyone with an effective IQ even slightly above room temperature knows the Zapruder film was forged the first weekend after the assassination.





I cringe when I read childish comments like this from adults. Clearly there are thousands of people with high a IQ who do not accept the Z film was altered which logically shows the statement from Mr Charleson to be a pile of old tripe and frankly an embarrassment.




Of course, the "thousands" of people who accept the extant Z-film as authentic never seem able to explain the evidence for alteration.



You, for example... running (excuse me, "too busy") to answer the first frame flash issue...

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JFK Conspiracy Main Forum • Re: LN Factoids

Patrick, you said "How do you explain the fact that Zapruder said he stopped filming to conserve film so he waited for the limo to appear....or is that something you had not thought of....."



You made a statement of fact "Zapruder said he stopped filming".



You can't substantiate this. You then go on to say "He may have said he was worried about running out of "power" from the winding mechanism.....I will check with Mike Majors."



If you don't wish to be called a liar, then stop posting factoids.

Statistics: Posted by Ray Mitcham — Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:26 pm








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JFK Conspiracy Main Forum • Re: Henry Sienzant Steps In It Again...

"And from the evidence, we learn that the majority of people thought that the shots had come from the Grassy Knoll"



Absolute delusional nonsense and utter tripe.

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JFK Conspiracy Main Forum • Re: Henry Sienzant Steps In It Again...

Lee,



"However, NUMEROUS witnesses questioned THAT DAY corroborate hearing gunfire from the Grassy Knoll. I guess we've seen who was wrong..."



Yes, but almost ALL of them thought ALL of the shots came from the Knoll...! Which is clearly WRONG.....!



How many more times does this have to be emphasised to you ......?

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I think the forum does a very good job of showing how eccentric all you pro C fairy tale believers are.....at least it is entertaining.....

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